BEWARE:
The latest hate group to arrive on the scene, disguising themselves as “WE SAVE LIVES.ORG” Their home page makes no mention of their bigotry, nor does their mission statement. They bury it on this page and hope you won’t know until you have already joined and donated.
WSL Supports the following Impaired Driving Policies & Legislation
Comprehensive Drinking Age Laws: Drinking age law that prohibits the purchase, attempt to purchase or possession of alcohol, or the use of fraudulent identification, by an individual under the age of 21, as well as the sale of alcohol, or the provision of fraudulent identification, to any individual under age 21.
Comprehensive Drinking Age Laws: Drinking age law that prohibits the purchase, attempt to
purchase or possession of alcohol, or the use of fraudulent identification, by an individual
under the age of 21, as well as the sale of alcohol, or the provision of fraudulent identification,
to any individual under age 21.

Enforcement of Underage Drinking Laws: Use of liquor law enforcement strategies, such as
compliance checks and shoulder taps.

Strict Enforcement of Zero Tolerance Laws: Commitment by law enforcement to strictly
enforce laws that prohibits persons under the age of 21 from driving with any alcohol and or
illegal substances/(drug)(s) in their system.

http://wesavelives.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/WSL-Impaired-Driving-Policies-and-Legislative-Recommendations.pdf

The group is founded by Candy Lightner, the same hate-mongering bigot who founded MADD. She does not care about the carnage on the roads, she just hates everybody under 21, no matter how responsibly the person drinks alcohol. She demonstrates depraved indifference to the inherent natural rights of persons under 21 who drink and don’t drive.

We save lives, eh? Well, maybe you punks stopped me from drinking myself to death. Bet you wish you hadn’t.

Stop the MADDness!

MADD’s answer to this site

“Sometimes, without knowing all the facts, people assert that youth shouldn’t have to wait until they’re 21 to drink.” —MADD
Translation: Sometimes, without knowing all the facts, people assert that the
United States of America ought to be a free country, with liberty and justice for all.

Cops busted for DWI
Lawmakers busted for DWI
Drink responsibly, or don’t drink.
Precious right not to drink.
Free public awareness posters
Changing the laws
DWI crashes
Amethyst Initiative
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James Cline, 47



These college students, both 18, never got the chance to drink legally. Underage drinking laws do not protect people under age. Here’s why.

ELEVEN PRIOR DWI’s
A MADD success story

He was driving drunk 0.26% BAC, driving left of center, speeding, driving under suspension and leading police on a chase, but at least he wasn’t drinking under age, a victory for MADD.

He crashed head-on into the students, but at least he wasn’t buying for them, a victory for MADD.

While he racked up his eleven prior DWI’s, it’s not like the MADD activists were idly sitting around, playing cards, though. They were pushing for sting operations, keg registration laws, counterfeit-resistant ID’s and harsher underage drinking penalties. They don’t care about drunk driving — they just hate everybody under 21, no matter how responsibly the person drinks.

Outraged and stunned, the victims’ parents, and fellow students from Hiram College went to Columbus to lobby for a crackdown. They got SB 17 introduced, overwhelmingly passed and signed by the Governor. Ohio now has a tougher repeat offender law, thanks to their efforts. Want results? You don’t need MADD. Just CLICK HERE.
News-Herald ...Cached Andy’s Army
WEWS-TV Channel 5 ...Cached News-Herald ...Cached
Criminal record of suspect ...Cached
[Crash in Burton Twp., Ohio on 2 March 2006]


You won’t promote responsibility by supporting a hate group that shows open hostility toward responsible drinkers who happen to be younger than 21, and depraved indifference to their rights.
To combat drunk driving, combat drunk driving.

Has tragedy struck your family?
Gee, Sherlock, why do you suppose so many politicians and voters prefer to impose tougher underage drinking laws on somebody else, instead of imposing tougher DWI laws on themselves? If a tragedy has struck your family, don’t be tempted to seek these easy “victories.” It’s like searching for your keys where the light is better, instead of where you dropped them. Don’t join MADD, because MADD does not care about DWI, they just hate everybody younger than 21.
Another MADD victory
He waited until he was 21. On his birthday, he drove drunk and killed a bicyclist. He only got probation. Hey, at least he wasn’t drinking under age.
Wasn’t MADD founded when Candy Lightner’s daughter got killed by a drunk driver who only got probation for it? Back then, they were mothers, and they were against drunk driving. How times change.
WRAL-TV Channel 5
News & Record
News & Observer
The Times News ... Cached
Neither MADD nor the legislators MADD lobbies care about the carnage on the roads. They just hate everybody under 21 and want to trample their right to drink the beverage of their choice. To see the results, Click here.
Brian Anthony Reid, 21

Words of Wisdom
“All penalties ought to be proportioned to the nature of the offense. No wise legislature will affix the same punishment to the crimes of theft, forgery, and the like, which they do to those of murder and treason. Where the same undistinguishing severity is exerted against all offenses, the people are led to forget the real distinction in the crimes themselves, and to commit the most flagrant with as little compunction as they do the lightest offenses.”
—New Hampshire Constitution, Part the First, Article 18


When you treat innocent, responsible underage drinkers like criminals, like drunk drivers, by imposing similar fines and license suspensions, don’t expect them to have a lot of respect for your government’s DWI laws. Underage drinking does not violate anybody’s rights, so the severity of the offense is zero. (No matter how intensely you disagree, they still know that the severity of the offense is still zero.) By punishing underage drinkers like drunk drivers you are telling them that the severity of DWI offenses is also zero. If they report a drunk leaving their party, who is getting behind the wheel, they feel like traitors. Repeal the underage drinking laws. Respect for the laws must be earned by making the laws respectable.


MADD founder Candy Lightner left the organization when it changed its mission from preventing drunk driving, to preventing drinking.

“It has become far more neo-prohibitionist
than I ever wanted or envisioned”



Note: MADD Canada does not promote prejudice and government-sponsored violence against people younger than 21. They support cracking down on drunk drivers. When they expand their scope, it’s on driving while stoned on other stuff: http://www.madd.ca/english/news/high_drive_2005.html

MADD doesn’t care about drunk driving.
They just hate everybody under 21.
“When we go to a high school, we don't talk about drinking and driving,”
said Kardell, executive director of MADD's North Texas office.
Dallas Morning News ... Cached


Amanda Jax, 21
Another MADD victory
Her parents must be so proud of her. She waited until she was 21.

Then she drank herself to death on her birthday. Happens all the time.

This (.PDF) is what happens when they don’t start out gradually, under parental guidance.

WCCO-TV ... Cached
Star-Tribune ... Cached


This webmaster told elected officials just how much he appreciates everything
they do to combat underage drinking.
MADD & Interlocks

In a press release on 22 April 2008, MADD proudly announced that SB 535 passed in West Virginia. This bill allows convicted drunk drivers to shorten their suspension times and start driving legally if they get an ignition interlock installed. MADD feels it is better that these criminals drive sober, sooner than drive drunk, illegally. But what about Mr. and Mrs. Twenty? Can they shorten their second-class citizenship time and start drinking alcoholic drinks legally if they get an ignition interlock installed on their car? I mean, if interlocks are s-o-o-o effective, right? Oh, no. So intense and deep-rooted is the MADD bigots’ seething hatred of every human being born during the past 21 years, that they will never be able to bring themselves to support such a life-saving measure to reduce the national carnage. Nay, this technology is for the benefit of criminals only.
http://www.madd.org/Media-Center/Media-Center/Press-Releases/Press-Releases/2008/MADD’s-Campaign-to-Eliminate-Drunk-Driving-Leads-t.aspx

Hey MADD Bigots:
Watch the video and tell me if you think it does any good to punish innocent people under 21 for drinking responsibly, instead of getting drunk drivers off the road.
MADD offers statistical analysis of historical crash data, and scientific studies on human brain development, to prove that the United States of America ought not to be a free country, with liberty and justice for all, a country where the citizen decides what to drink, where parents govern their child who still lives with them, where the drunk driver is the one who gets punished. We say: Stop The MADDness!
     The light turns green and you want to turn left, but you cannot see oncoming traffic because the hill obstructs your view. A left turn is dangerous. Should they (A) ban left turns and then ticket drivers who turn left or (B) ticket drivers under 21 who go straight or turn right? Drunks have impaired vision and reaction time. They cannot handle a car safely. Driving drunk is dangerous. Should they (A) ban drunk driving and then punish drinkers who drive drunk or (B) punish drinkers under 21 who walk home, or call a taxi?

Found a dead link on this website? Tell Webmaster@StopTheMADDness.org

Got a problem with this website? Tell somebody that cares.

We care about your problem with this website about as much as you hate-mongering
MADD bigots care about the rights of citizens younger than 21: ZERO.

“A new study published in the New England Journal of Medicine proves the politicians you voted against have a right to impose this law on you.”
“The drinking age has to be 21 in all States to avoid having blood borders, because 21 is the only integer that is equal to itself.”
“The combination of driving inexperience and alcohol make you a greater menace on the road, even if you don’t drive.”
They’re definitely not really so stupid that they cannot see the obvious flaws in their absurd lines of reasoning. Practically nobody is that stupid. Everything they believe in, everything they stand for, cherish and hold dear is totally incorrect, and can only be supported by invalid reasoning, so they use invalid reasoning and ignore the flaws. They figure everybody else will ignore those flaws, too, if they worship their incorrect opinions more intensely themselves.
“We can’t stop older folks from practicing alcoholism, because they hold too much political power, but some of them started as teenagers and never had a chance to quit since then, and that gives us the right to punish Mr. and Mrs. Twenty instead.”
“Everybody who drinks under age is immature and irresponsible because they’re doing something that is TOTALLY ILLEGAL, as well it should be, because they’re so immature and irresponsible.”
“Drinking alcoholic beverages during pregnancy harms the baby, so let’s impose Prohibition on men younger than 21 and not on pregnant women 21 and older.”

Did you know...? that this webmaster sabotaged an alcohol sting operation in 2008? The Underage Drinking Enforcement Training Center held their annual conference in Nashville, Tennessee and the conference schedule, published on their website, mentioned that they would tag along and watch cops do alcohol sting operations. This webmaster phoned many taverns and liquor stores to warn them, “Thought you might like to know that the Metro Nashville Police will be doing alcohol sting operations on August 21st from 6 p.m. to 8:30”

This deprived the Metro Nashville Police of some victims and also deprived the visiting enemy agents of some training, because they watched a forewarned sting operation and not a candid one.


Why do the MADD bigots hate everybody under 21?
Some of the bigots hate the companies that make alcoholic drinks. These people want to deprive the companies of their customer base, and in the process, trample the sacred right of Mr. and Mrs. Twenty to enjoy the beverage of their choice. (Some of these MADD bigots figure that the alcoholic beverage companies advertize their products, thereby victimizing people younger than 21, and these MADD bigots would rather violate the rights of people under 21 than violate the First Amendment right of the corporations to free speech.)

Some of the bigots are furious because somebody under 21 drove drunk and crashed into somebody the bigots liked. These ones want to punish everybody under 21 which does not do any good. Punishment can deter a drinker from driving but cannot deter a drinker from being 20.

Some of them lost a family member who drank under age and died of alcohol poisoning or drunk driving, and these ones really, really, really do not want to blame the deceased. Like drunkards, they want to blame everybody except the guilty one.

Some of the bigots committed serious wrongdoing years ago, by driving drunk, and try to reconcile their present tough stance against drunk driving with their own conscience reminding them that they drove drunk. They think they can erase their wrongdoing by imposing unjust laws on innocent, responsible drinkers younger than 21.

Some of the bigots are desperately trying to shift blame away from themselves for their own decisions they made in their younger days, such as drinking instead of getting better grades in school, and subconsciously feel they can undo these bad choices by cracking down on other people younger than 21.

Some of the bigots are insanely jealous, because people younger than 21 are young and free, and the bigots are not. Some of them want it to be official that they are better than those other people, so they prevail on their government to declare that cocaine junkies and underage drinkers are criminals, while people over 21 who drink are law-abiding citizens.

It’s no longer fashionable to promote discrimination on the basis of race, nationality or religion, so they promote injustice against people younger than 21.

But perhaps the biggest reason is: Follow the money. Some of the big auto makers are among their biggest sponsors, and they profit from drunk driving. Drunk drivers smash cars, the insurance company pays, and the owner buys another car. The big auto makers don’t want any crackdown on drunk driving, because that would increase the numbers of pedestrians demanding fairness, so they want MADD to focus on innocent people instead.

Answering the MADD bigots

“There is solid support for the 21 drinking age across the country and for good reason. The law and its enforcement helps save about 900 lives a year.”
— A now-deleted page on the hate-mongering MADD bigots’ site.

You could save a lot more lives by eliminating drunk driving, but there is plenty of opposition from hypocrites who think they can drive better drunk than teenagers can sober.

Sure, there is plenty of support for the current law, but most of it comes from people who are no longer its victims.This blatantly unjust law is totally unacceptable to some of its victims. The law and its enforcement help save 900 lives by depriving millions of innocent Americans of liberty, their precious right to drink the beverage of their choice. These victims never authorized MADD or the politicians to force this blatantly unjust law on them. These victims aren’t violating anybody’s rights by drinking responsibly, nor even if they drink themselves to death. Besides, if all your friends jump off the roof, should you jump off the roof, too? If all your friends support this unjust law, should you support it, too?

Get Involved Now
Contact your favorite radio station. The one you actually listen to. Tell them you want them to play the RADD PSA’s. RADD is against drunk driving but does not promote bigotry against people younger than 21.
Follow the Money

Any serious crackdown on drinking and driving would force more people to choose between the two. MADD’s website shows that their corporate sponsors include the American International Automobile Dealers Association, Arco, Daimler Chrysler, Ford Motor Company, Nissan and Volkswagen of America. CLICK HERE and HERE. They’d rather have people do without drinking than do without driving. With more ridership, bus companies could extend their hours and routes. People reading the want ads wouldn’t need cars. Planning board members see the world through a windshield, so they require parking lots as a condition for building permits for apartments, forcing landlords to pass the cost on to pedestrian tenants, so people cannot save money by doing without cars. Auto makers want today’s young people to grow up addicted to driving, so they will perpetuate laws and practices that deter walking. (Plowing snow onto sidewalks, lack of crosswalk lights, zoning laws forcing people to travel great distances to run errands or commute to work. Imagine how badly some people’s lives would change if they couldn’t pass the eye exam at license renewal time, even at the eye doctor’s office.) Auto makers do not want a serious crackdown on drunk driving, because it would give pedestrians more political power.

MADD’s website means just what it says:

“Our nation’s youth are tomorrow’s leaders and we are investing in their future and ours.”


Hey MADD Bigots:
What many of you conveniently forget is that, no matter what is written in your government’s constitution and laws, liberty is a God-given right which no government can justly infringe.

Mr. and Mrs. Twenty are not violating anybody’s rights by drinking responsibly, so you offer crimes committed by other persons as an excuse to deny liberty to Mr. and Mrs. Twenty, against their will, instead of punishing the perpetrators. Consider your excuse rejected.

Many people profess to believe in a sacred “duty” to obey the law, even when the law is clearly wrong. Do note that many outvoted discrimination victims do not belong to your cult. You cannot make up for their non-participation by worshiping your flags, badges, benches and law books more intensely yourselves, nor by throwing temper tantrums when non-participants point out that your law is nothing more than an inanimate document embellished with a fancy seal and some autographs.

No matter how strongly you disapprove of underage drinking, your right to your opinion does not entitle you to employ gun-toting goons in bulletproof vests as weapons of unprovoked violence, to intimidate Mr. and Mrs. Twenty into drinking only non-alcoholic beverages.

Such unprovoked violence and intimidation generate intense hostility in return. What else would you expect? Many outvoted discrimination victims make it perfectly clear that this blatantly unjust law is totally unacceptable to them, and in response you make it perfectly clear that you don’t give a fire truck about their rights.

Well, just remember, the only reason your government gets away with it for the time being, is because good cop-killers are hard to find these days.
In your face, enemies of liberty
On 29 February 2008, Cleveland, Ohio cops were chasing some underage drinking suspects when one suspect fought back like a man to defend himself. One cop is dead. The Second Amendment wasn’t written for sportsmen. If you don’t defend the rights of people younger than 21 with your ballots, they will defend their own rights with bullets. Any objection?
Objection overruled, casket closed.
Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership ... Mirror
Alcohol and firearms don’t mix. Partygoers are justified in defending a cheerleader if a pervert tries to seize her, handcuff her and force her into his car, or if a cop suspects her of being a minor in possession and tries to seize her, handcuff her and force her into the patrol car. If you have been drinking, however, you should not shoot the cops raiding your party, because you could miss and shoot an innocent person. Drunks are justified in restraining the goon (one drunk restraining each limb, taking the cop down on the lawn, for example) while a cold-sober designated driver, or partier who has not taken a sip yet, captures the gun and administers the fatal shots. If you have a family that will miss you when you are gone, don’t try robbing armored cars or enforcing blatantly unjust laws.
We have warned them, from Time to Time, of Attempts by their Legislature to extend an
unwarrantable Jurisdiction over us.
-- Declaration of Independence, 1776

“While we know changing how people think isn’t easy, it’s imperative we involve the entire community in changing attitudes, perceptions and behaviors regarding underage drinking.”
http://www.why21.org/community
Another website from the hate-mongering MADD bigots.


Well, we don’t have to worry that they’ll succeed, then, because they will never involve the entire community in their cause. There will always be people who feel the United States of America ought to be a free country, with liberty and justice for all.

Get a load of this!

The victims were 20. The drunk driver who hit them was 22. Lisa Dickson’s dad joins MADD to promote prejudice against people like his daughter, who never got a chance to drink legally. Then he writes a letter urging the judge to cut the drunk driver’s sentence, because Mr. Dickson is with MADD and MADD does not care about drunk driving. Besides, the killer did say he’s sorry. VIEW LETTER IN .PDF
Phone that MADD Chapter at 1-850-983-6775 and listen to the recording.
Do the math. MADD is making big bucks off drunk driving.



MADD’s Top Cop Busted

MADD gave the Cincinnati cop, age 53, its ‘Top Cop’ award and now the cop gets caught driving drunk.
KETV-TV Channel 7 ... Cached


The Citizens of the United States of America have a right to applaud themselves for giving to Mankind examples of an enlarged and liberal policy: a policy worthy of imitation. All possess alike liberty of conscience and immunities of citizenship. It is now no more that toleration is spoken of, as if it was by the indulgence of one class of people that another enjoyed the exercise of their inherent natural rights. For happily the Government of the United States, which gives to bigotry no sanction, to persecution no assistance, requires only that they who live under its protection, should demean themselves as good citizens.

George Washington
Letter to the Jews of Newport, Rhode Island, 1790

Image from
National Park Service

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NEVER disclose to an enemy officer information that gives aid to the enemy. NEVER disclose the source of alcoholic beverages to crash investigators. The crash is the fault of the drunk driver, not the alcohol supplier. If the enemy wants respect for their laws, they have it within their power to make their laws respectable.
Raleigh News & Observer ... Cached
Nazis promote bigotry and violence against Jews. Some people still remember the signs that said, “Juden Verboten”

The Ku Klux Klan promotes bigotry and violence against Negroes. Some people still remember the signs that said, “White Only”

Mothers Against Drunk Driving promotes bigotry and violence against people younger than 21. Hence the signs that say, “No Minors Allowed” and the practice of dispatching gun-toting goons in bulletproof vests to show up uninvited at high school graduation keggers to grab innocent people, handcuff them, force them into patrol cars against their will and deliver them to the government’s jail.
Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership ... Mirror



Quite possibly a major rationalization for driving drunk is that the potential
victims are such enemies of liberty as are pictured above. Such thinking is
incorrect, of course, because decent people are also endangered.

How would you respond if you’re not a Muslim, and some Muslims preached to you about how it’s wrong to drink, because it’s against their religion? If you’re not a Muslim, their religion doesn’t apply to you. Well, if your religion is “God Bless America” and Semper fidelis and you worship flags, badges, benches and law books, you can preach all you want to people younger than 21 that it’s a sin to drink alcoholic beverages because it’s showing disrespect for your laws, but your religion doesn’t necessarily apply to them, either. If you resort to violent force, you are crossing the line.
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Congressman Kevin Brady (R-Texas) not to be confused with the Pennsylvania Congressman Robert Brady

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Dana E. Ambrose
28 May 1981 - 8 Oct. 2000
This woman never got a chance to drink legally in the State of Hawaii. At 23:50 HST on 7 October 2000, a 48-year-old Honolulu cop drove drunk, ran a red light and crashed into her. She died 30 minutes later.

Right: Cop getting ready to give the hate-mongering MADD bigots another one of their favorite statistics: a “teenager killed in a drunk driving crash.”
Click to enlarge.


Well, that’s one way to prevent underage drinking.
Honolulu Star-Bulletin ...Cached   Other cops nabbed for drunk driving.

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Shanice Patrice Carter
This woman never got a chance to drink legally in the State of California. The driver who allegedly crossed onto the wrong side and killed her at age 18 faces drunk driving (0.16%) and other charges. He is 63.
News 10 ... Cached

Roberto Vellanoweth


Jacob Brock and Jennifer Kois, both 19
These college students never got a chance to drink legally. They were killed at 19, and the other driver, 42, who blew a 0.29%, faces first-degree murder charges.
Rocky Mountain News ...Cached

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NEW! Suggestions for people who choose not to exercise their right to drink. CLICK HERE

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Ashley Rose Griffin
This woman never got a chance to drink legally in North Carolina. The pickup truck driver, who had been drinking and who crossed onto her side of South Point Road outside Belmont and struck her head-on, killing her at 18, was 60. Add another “teenager killed in a drunk driving crash” to the official tally that fuels politicsl debate, guides the legislative process and promotes prejudice against teenagers.
Charlotte Observer ... Cached

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Sober as a judge

“My God, you know I decide all these cases in your favor. And my golly, look what you’re doing to me.”
--Ohio Supreme Court Justice Alice Robie Resnick while getting arrested for drunk driving, 31 January 2005.
If they strike down the underage drinking statutes, they know the state legislature would pass tougher drunk driving laws, and they would face tougher charges when they get caught.

Washington Times ...Cached ...Traffic stop video ...Part 2 ...Pleads guilty ...Cached


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Here’s a petition somebody asked me to link to:
http://www.petitiononline.com/lwrnmda/petition.html


North Carolina cop testilies in court. This is not the same North Carolina cop that got arrested for DUI his third time on 12 May 2005. This cop hasn’t been caught as many times.
North Carolina: ALE and Durham police goons offer excuses for intruding into a house without a warrant to cite citizens younger than 21 for exercising their right to drink.: Some citizens COULD walk away and get behind the wheel. On 12 May 2005, a North Carolina cop was arrested for drunk driving his third time. Getting caught driving drunk isn’t enough to revoke a cop’s badge, but drinking and not driving, they think, is a good enough excuse to trample the Bill of Rights. WRAL-TV Channel 5 (video included) ...Cached

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This website is not connected with, or endorsed by, Mothers Against Drunk Driving. Like, duh.

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Abraham Lincoln
12 February 1809
- 15 April 1865
Should Abraham Lincoln consider whether crime
statistics will go up or down if the slaves are freed?


“Those who deny freedom to others, deserve it not for themselves; and, under a just God, cannot long retain it.”

“Four score and seven years ago, our fathers brought forth upon this continent a new nation, conceived in liberty…”


Of course, nowadays, Lincoln could have simply threatened to withhold federal highway construction grants from any state that secedes from the Union, and today’s state legislators would have wimped right out!

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The hate-mongering MADD bigots offer drunk driving as an excuse to violate the inherent natural rights of a person who has never driven drunk. Then they offer statistics about things other people did. When that doesn’t work, they just start naming other crimes the person never committed, as if the point somehow becomes valid that way. With a straight face, they offer fetal alcohol syndrome as an excuse to violate the rights of men younger than 21, while no such restriction is placed on pregnant women over 21. Underage drinking laws do nothing to protect their babies. They certainly didn’t stop a 40-year-old New York City cop from driving drunk on 4 August 2001, killing a 24-year-old pregnant pedestrian, her baby, her 4-year-old son and 16-year-old sister. Whereupon the hate-mongering MADD bigots added another teenager killed in a drunk driving crash to the statistics they use to promote bigotry.

Your tax dollars at work: MADD collected $12.7 million in government grants last year.

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Natalee Holloway shouldn’t have had to leave the country to exercise her right to drink without fear of being jailed for it.
Traveling?

Be sure to send postcards from abroad to the federal and state legislators elected where you live.
[Not exactly “your” representatives if they deliberately and maliciously vote to violate your inherent natural rights, rather than impose tougher drunk driving laws on themselves, laws that could save your life.]

Scared to go to Aruba or México? The drinking age is 18 in Alberta, Manitoba and Québec. Canadian officers will turn you away if you have a drunk driving conviction, because the Government of Canada treats drunk driving more seriously.

HINT: Tell Mom and Dad you’re going to Québec to practice your French.

HINT: Send a postcard to the local MADD chapter where you live, to demoralize the enemy.


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Drinking problem?
You or somebody else?
Full range of options: http://www.alcoholism.nu or call 1-800-886-4986

But remember: Just because drinking isn’t for you, does not entitle you to attack
drinkers by means of a knife, a bat or a police force. Good luck.


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OF COURSE these high school students knew better than to drink and drive on prom night. They also knew enough to report the 49-year-old limo driver. It was her third time getting arrested for DUI. WFTV-TV Channel 9 ...Cached ...CBS News ...Cached
The irresponsible limo driver can buy all the booze she wants, but the responsible students can’t legally buy any at all, thanks to bigots like MADD and their ilk in the Florida Legislature. The State of Florida obviously doesn’t care about drunk driving. Click here ...Cached
Click here ...Cached
Update, May 2006, sentence: WESH-TV Channel 2



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Tom Alciere’s letters published: Winona (Minnesota) Daily News
Shreveport (Louisiana) Times
ETruth ...Cached
Portsmouth (NH) Herald ...Cached
Casper Star Tribune ...Cached
Minnesota Daily News ...Cached
Shreveport Times (7 April 2006) ...Cached
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NEW! Link to a cool responsible drinking website sponsored by the Province of Manitoba, where the legal age is 18 years higher than they have any right to impose.
Note: The legal age is 18 in Alberta, Manitoba and Québec, 19 elsewhere in Canada. If you have a drunk driving conviction in the USA, Canada or elsewhere, you will be turned away at the port of entry, another reason not to drink and drive anywhere.

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IMPORTANT: If you support liberty, then tell others about this site, and link to it. Help spread the word. If everybody visits this website and reads it all, the underage drinking laws will be repealed. An excellent way is to send a post card to people whose names appear in the newspaper, arrested for underage drinking. Another is to buy an ad in your local newspaper. Possible ad text:
Visit: StopTheMADDness.org Supporting the rights of outvoted discrimination victims younger than 21.

Use PayPal to donate to a fund to buy advertizing links for this site:
The e-mail address to pay is paypal@goclick.com and tell them to credit the account of webmaster@StopTheMADDness.org

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Another way you can promote liberty is to volunteer for compliance checks. When you attempt to buy, warn the cashier that you are younger than 21 and are conducting a compliance check. Every outlet in town passes the test. The cops will think they’ve won.

Always tell surveys you never exercise your right to drink. That will also help make the enemy think they’ve won.

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Some people think the United States of America should be a free country, with liberty and justice for all.  MADD offers scientific studies and statistics to prove them wrong.
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This guy died of alcohol poisoning
at 18, but his choice didn’t violate anybody’s rights.
Oh, by the way:

If you drink too much, you can die.

Like, duh.

KSBY-TV Channel 6 ...Cached


For more on responsible drinking, Click here.

If you drink yourself to death, it does not hurt the enemy one bit.
Better idea: Stick around and infiltrate the enemy’s legislature, like I did. If I can get elected to the New Hampshire House of Representatives, anybody can.

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Want respect for the laws? Make the laws respectable.

If you were looking for a website that says it’s okay to drink and drive, (provided you haven’t had too, too much) you’re in the wrong place. This website supports the inherent natural right of people younger than 21 to drink and not drive, because they’re not the property of the government, whose only legitimate function is to secure people’s rights, not violate them by imposing a drinking age. (Maybe you should try RIDL.) This webmaster has found plenty of material on the injustices in the legal system, faced by people accused of drunk driving, but this site is about the right of people younger than 21 to drink responsibly.

Politically, it is much more expedient to trample the rights of outvoted discrimination victims than to crack down on drunk driving. The strict drunk driving laws would apply to the lawmakers themselves.

Convicted felons on parole are forbidden to drink, because of crimes they committed. Innocent citizens younger than 21 are forbidden to drink, because of crimes somebody else committed. That is totally unjust.


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Governor George E. Pataki explains New York’s priorities




Read press release, 25 August 2005

“The state-of-the-art features included in the redesigned license will greatly improve the ability of law enforcement to keep motorists safe, but also help combat the serious problem of underage drinking that often results in tragic consequences. Just as important, these anti-fraud measures will significantly thwart the ability of those who seek to use fraudulent identification to foster terrorism, break the law and cause harm.”


Thank you, Governor Pataki, for telling us that thwarting terrorists is “Just as important” as combating underage drinking. If I’m on a jet, I for one would rather have the high school students in the next row get served beer than have hijackers crash the jet into a Manhattan skyscraper. Of course, we all know what happened when those high school kids tried to order beers on TWA Flight 800 out of JFK. They got shot down.



On 4 August 2001, a 40-year-old New York City cop drove drunk and killed a 16-year-old girl,
and Gov. Pataki wants to pick on responsible drinkers who refuse to be 21. Click here.

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The big question is: Okay, you’ve been drinking, so now how do you get home? The sick answer in convention wisdom is that if you’re over 21, you automatically have enough driving experience that you can drive home safely. That is the real reason behind the drinking age.

If they actually cared about drunk driving, why do they force good drivers to subsidize the insurance rates of these criminals? Convicted drunk drivers pay more, but these rates aren’t high enough to cover the risk, and it’s considered unfair that one insurance company should get them all, so they are assigned to insurance companies by the state government, a process known as the assigned risk pool. Why not raise the rates even higher, so the insurance companies would want them? Then the criminals couldn’t afford the coverage, and so they wouldn’t drive. The oil companies wouldn’t like that.


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You should take note that Libertarian candidates as a rule oppose underage drinking laws. If you vote against those candidates, you’re probably voting for your own arrest and prosecution.
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MADD used Miss Teen USA to promote BuzzFree Prom ’05. Shelley Hennig, they say, was devastated when her brother died in a drunk driving crash at 18. What they don’t bother to mention is that he was the drunk driver, and also killed a 17-year-old girl.
L’Observateur ...Cached.
Saint Charles Herald ...Cached.
There’s nothing wrong with advising people not to drink and drive on prom night, but if Shelley Hennig goes to your school, bring up the point. “It’s also dangerous to ride with a drunk driver. One of your brother’s passengers, Lindsey Cerise, who was 17, also was killed in that crash, when your brother Brad drove off the road.”
Obituary ...Cached

It’s not Shelley’s fault her brother perpetrated a homicide, so don’t take it out on her. Neither does MADD have any right to take it out on the millions of men and women younger than 21 who drink responsibly. They need to go after 40-year-old drunk drivers who kill people younger than 21. Click here


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Because of the drinking age and new laws, parents cannot be home to supervise during a high school graduation party. They have to be away so they can claim they didn’t give permission for the party. Does that make the graduates safer?

Drunks younger than 21 cannot seek medical help, lest they get arrested. Does that make them safer?

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Gang rape is democracy. Five persons say “Yes,” one person says “No,” the majority rules, and elects one of themselves “sheriff” whose job is to grab and handcuff the victim, and force the victim into the sheriff’s van, and deliver the victim to the place where the will of the majority is to be carried out. One vote is useless, and so is campaigning. The majority would enjoy the victim’s helpless cries, “Please don’t vote wrong!”

Trying to reason with the hate-mongering MADD bigots and their ilk in state legislatures is about as futile. Like rapists, they get a deep sense of satisfaction from their malicious wrongdoing. They care about the inherent rights of innocent people no more than rapists do.

Enemies of liberty demand that people younger than 21, if they want to drink legally, must first “convince” a class of people who refuse to be convinced, who insist on holding their wrong opinion about where to draw the line between the inherent natural rights of outvoted citizens and the authority some other citizens delegated to their government. They have every right to hold whatever opinions they want, of course, but they cross the line when they vote for government-sponsored violence, the use of gun-toting goons in bulletproof vests, against innocent people who are peacefully drinking their own property.

Revoking drivers licenses for several years for first offense drunk driving would put a lot more people on the bus. Bus lines could afford to run later. Local residents wouldn’t need cars. Oil companies would “lose” money. Drunk drivers vote, and they think they can drive better drunk than you can sober. (They say this to people about whose driving skills they know nothing.)


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Hey smart people: Check out
The Federalist Society

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Everybody knew George W. Bush was a convicted drunk driver when he got elected President of the United States in 2000 and re-elected in 2004. Most voters care about drunk driving only when it’s a convenient excuse to impose unjust laws on people younger than 21.

Gasoline prices soared after Hurricane Katrina. People are driving less. Perhaps a 10% lower probability that somebody will be “running” the green light when a drunk driver runs the red light. Fewer drunk driving deaths. And the hate-mongering MADD bigots will cite the tougher underage drinking laws.


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Brockton District Court
Massachusetts
21 October 2005
Apologizing now won’t do any good.

This 19-year-old college student is being arraigned for driving drunk (0.22%) and killing a 21-year-old student at the same college. Now, she wishes she could turn back time, but it’s too late. Underage drinking laws don’t work.

If you’re younger than 21, the government wants to punish you for it. You didn’t do it, so they have no right to punish you.

If you drink, which is your inherent natural right, don’t misuse a car by driving it drunk. Just a reminder. You already knew that!

Don’t even think of trying to save a cab fare by taking chances playing blotto lotto. Definitely don’t be misled into thinking that if you drive drunk, it’s the fault of the supplier. If you drive drunk, it’s your fault. Never identify the supplier.
Boston Herald ...Cached
Video


...and the government won’t really punish the drunk drivers. Note how they’re forbidden to drink while on probation, because of the crime they committed...and how you’re forbidden to drink, too, because of the crime they committed. Fort Worth Star-Teleram ...Cached

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Cops are old enough to be considered responsible for their own actions. If they enforce the drinking age, it is their fault it is enforced. They’re free to get a job and work for a living instead. It is their fault bartenders are afraid to serve you. Cops are the enemy. A police officer is an enemy officer.

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Free beer isn’t the only fringe benefit the cops get from enforcing underage drinking laws. CLICK HERE ...Cached
If a cop is wrongly accused of doing such a thing after arresting an underage drinker, the cop has only himself to blame. He chose to arrest an underage drinker. The cop is darned lucky he didn’t get himself killed in the act of his deliberate and malicious wrongdoing.
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Hidalgo County 398th District Court
Edinburg, Texas
29 March 2006
This 33-year-old teacher is going to prison. He got 5-to-10 years for driving drunk (second time, 0.19%) and killing a 17-year-old girl.

Another “teenager killed in a drunk driving crash” for the hate-mongering MADD bigots to promote prejudice against people younger than 21.
The Monitor ...Cached
Sentence: The Monitor ...Cached
Watch KRGV-TV Channel 5 Video (conviction)
Watch KRGV-TV Channel 5 Video (sentence)

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Enemies of liberty, here’s a dead cop in your face: On 19 November 2002, a Freedom Fighter waited at a gas station in Red Bluff, California, for the next cop to pull in to refuel a patrol car. The Freedom Fighter marched up, took out the cop with a few shots, and fled. He later explained his motives on a website. The drinking age was one such motive. Only when the oppressors have to pay the price with the blood of their beloved cops, for their deliberate, malicious wrongdoing, will they care about the demands of outvoted citizens. If you vote for candidates who support the drinking age, you’re not pulling the trigger, but you are pulling the lever. By preventing a nonviolent solution with ballots, you force a violent solution with bullets. Vote wrong, cops die. Don’t like it? Don’t do it.

What about the time on 2 October 1976 when a drunk 15-year-old gunned down a cop in Manchester, New Hampshire?

The cop was responding to a noise complaint. It’s likely the cop-killer was in the wrong for making so much noise. I’m only interested in cases where the cop-killer is 100 percent in the right, cases that can be attributed to Operation USA Freedom.

What about on 20 February 1999 when a 20-year-old drunk gunned down a Kane Borough, Pennsylvania police officer?

Also likely the cop-killer was in the wrong, because the cop-killer was driving after drinking.


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A cop drove drunk (0.176%), ran a red light at 148 km/h and killed these two high school students.

Daily Southtown ...Cached

These two guys didn’t drink, because their God told them not to. You wouldn’t have a problem with that, would you? Liberty is the freedom to decide whether or not to drink. A person doesn’t need an excuse not to drink, so don’t request one. Non-drinkers are not the enemy. The government and its cops are the enemy.

Payback’s nasty: On 5 November 2005, an allegedly drunk driver headed eastbound on U.S. 6 in Swansea, Massachusetts crossed the center line and killed a cop head-on. The cop that killed these two high school students was headed eastbound on U.S. 6. Coincidence?


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Keg registration laws are a result of utter lack of respect for underage drinking laws, which is a result of the utter lack of respectability in such laws. How can legislators demand respect for a law they impose as a consequence of overt bribery? How can the discrimination victims comply with a law that requires them to be 21 years old?
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From the hate-mongering bigots’ own website:

MADD is a 501(c)(3) non-profit grass roots organization with more than 600 chapters nationwide. MADD is not a crusade against alcohol consumption - MADD’s mission is to stop drunk driving, support the victims of this violent crime, and prevent underage drinking.


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MADD is a crusade to destroy the rights of all persons born during the past 21 years, innocent and guilty alike. What good does it do, not to drive drunk, “demeaning yourself as a good citizen” if you’re still going to be treated like a criminal anyway, because of crimes committed decades ago by other people?

“The total cost of alcohol use by youth is $58,043 billion per year,2 the equivalent of $216.22 for every man, woman and child in the United States. Many of us are all too familiar with a major tragic consequence of underage drinking-traffic crashes. The combination of alcohol use and driving by young people with little driving experience and low alcohol tolerance can indeed be deadly. But several other problems are associated with underage drinking, including crime, various types of traumatic injury, suicide, fetal alcohol syndrome, alcohol poisonings, and alcohol dependence and abuse requiring treatment.” http://madd.org/stats/0,1056,1736,00.html

Fifty eight thousand billion dollars? Gimme a break! Oh, and the cost of suicide. (Live Free or Die) How many dollars did they peg a teenager’s life at? Fetal alcohol syndrome? Oh, I guess they figure it’s okay as long as the pregnant woman is at least 21. What difference does the pregnant woman’s age have to do with fetal alcohol syndrome? The baby is still just as wrecked. Of course, your average hate-mongering MADD bigot would much rather get run over and killed by a drunk driver who’s older than 21. Maybe Mr. Glynn Birch and so-called Mothers Against Drunk Driving (MADD) should rename the group “Fathers Against Fetal Alcohol Syndrome Among The Babies of Younger Mothers.” (FAFASATBOYM).
This man never got the chance to drink legally in the State of Michigan. On 19 June 2004, a 56-year-old Detroit police lieutenant drove drunk, the wrong way, crashed head-on and killed him at age 20 years, 201 days.
Before reporting an underage drinking party, remember that the beer will fall into the hands of cops.
Detroit News ...Cached
Channel 4 ...Cached
Pleads guilty to drunk driving: Channel 4 ...Cached

Nehemiah L. Thompson
30 Nov 1983 - 19 June 2004


A 56-year-old cop drove drunk
and killed this man, who was 165 days short of turning 21.

Dana Nipper joined the hate-mongering MADD bigots after her teenage daughter was killed by a drunk driver in 1996. In 2001, Dana Nipper was MADD’s voice in Rutherford County, Tennessee. On 5 May 2004, Dana Nipper was arrested for drunk driving in Murfreesboro, Tennessee. You don’t want to be like the hate-mongering MADD bigots.
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Face it, they just don’t care about drunk driving, unless it’s an excuse to violate the rights of somebody who never drives drunk.
Shreveport (Louisiana) Times ...Cached

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What’s violent about the drinking age?

Violence takes many forms. It may not seem violent to put poison in food, but if you kill somebody, it’s murder, which is clearly violent. The bigots command their government to dispatch gun-toting mercenaries in bulletproof vests to patrol and intimidate, threatening to grab and handcuff, and force into the patrol car and deliver to the government’s jail, persons whose nonviolent conduct is distasteful to the bigots. Forcing somebody into a patrol car is violent. Locking somebody in jail is violent. Stealing their beer by force is violent.

But the drunk driving statistics have improved greatly over the last few decades.

Should Abraham Lincoln consider whether crime statistics might rise if the slaves are freed?

Statistics of other people are no excuse for the use of gun-toting goons in bulletproof vests against an innocent person. Want better statistics? Support better laws against drunk driving. Don’t infringe the right to drink and not drive.

Arrests are up because drunk people are getting busted just for opening a car door. Fatalities are way down because of faster response times. Due to the proliferation of cell phones, it is not as common to need to take the next exit and lose precious time looking for a payphone to report a crash. Ambulances arrive with better medical technology, and bring crash victims to hospitals with better technology, faster than ever before. Cell phones also allow witnesses to report drunk drivers before they crash.

Furthermore, many drunk driving deaths are not listed as such, because the driver flees the scene. Cached In the past, when drunk drivers could kill somebody and get probation, drivers would stay at the scene. Now, they flee, and even though they may get caught, there’s no proof they were drunk, so the death isn’t listed as a drunk driving crash. Case in point: A 32-year-old cop allegedly ran a stop sign and ran over and killed a 15-year-old discrimination victim in Chicago on 22 September 2005, NBC 5 ...Cached Witnesses saw the cop in a tavern before the crash, but there isn’t proof the cop was drunk.

Statistical analysis is boring, so don’t expect your TV to spoon-feed you much of it. People change channels. Statistical analysis does not support the hate-mongering bigots from MADD. If you have a lifetime clean driving record, what better statistics can they want from you? They don’t want better statistics. They want to use crimes committed by other people as an excuse to dispatch gun-toting mercenaries in bullet-resistant vests to grab you, handcuff you, force you into a car against your will and deliver you to the government’s jail, and force your landlord to evict you from your apartment for drinking your own property. Reason ...Cached.

If the statistics go up, MADD will say this “proves” how irresponsible people younger than 21 are. If the statistics go down, they’ll say this “proves” how the drinking age works, and must not be repealed. You cannot win with hate-mongering, irrational bigots.

Have you ever driven drunk? No? Ah, that proves you drive drunk. You deny it, just like all drunk drivers do. Denial is proof, admission is proof, you can’t win with bigots like that, and they get to vote.


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Leftism is a totalitarian force. Wherever leftism is in a position of power it tends to invade every private corner and force every thought into a leftist mold. In part this is because of the quasi-religious character of leftism; everything contrary to leftists beliefs represents Sin. More importantly, leftism is a totalitarian force because of the leftists’ drive for power. The leftist seeks to satisfy his need for power through identification with a social movement and he tries to go through the power process by helping to pursue and attain the goals of the movement (see paragraph 83). But no matter how far the movement has gone in attaining its goals the leftist is never satisfied, because his activism is a surrogate activity (see paragraph 41). That is, the leftist’s real motive is not to attain the ostensible goals of leftism; in reality he is motivated by the sense of power he gets from struggling for and then reaching a social goal.

Unabomber Manifesto, paragraph 219.



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I got a lucky break one time. The cop just made me dump my beer, and gave me a warning.

The cops are getting a darned lucky break that the citizens are too pusillanimous to kill every last one of them.

What does pusillanimous mean?

It means I like to show off my vocabulary. Now get up off your butt and look it up! If you have money for beer you have money for a dictionary. You’re a student. Learn something today.

What if I’m too pusillanimous to kill cops?

Join the party! Oh, yes, do read my book, Billy’s Reward.

So you conclude the drinking age should be lowered to 18?

The government has no right to impose any drinking age, period.

Are you saying we should just LET all these young people go out and just drink when they want to?

Are you saying we should just LET all these Negroes just walk right off their masters’ plantations whenever they want to?

By repealing the drinking age restriction, members of the state legislature are not “allowing” teenagers to drink, any more than teenagers are “allowing” members of the state legislature to drink.


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It’s not just reverse psychology impelling people to drink because they are forbidden to. It is also last-call psychology. At last call, adults on licensed premises order up, because it is their last chance to drink, for a while. When a kid is offered a chance to drink, it may be the last chance for two months, so the kid drinks. As time passes, chances happen more often, and the kid gets into the habit of accepting every chance. Repealing the underage drinking laws eliminates this problem for young people.
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If the drinking age is repealed, how do we stop young people from getting drunk?

If we respect freedom of the press, how will we stop newspapers from publishing editorials criticizing the government? We won’t. Of course, parents retain the authority to restrict drinking by the children living with them. Furthermore, eliminating subsidies for state colleges would mean the students would spend 8 hours working and 4 hours studying, instead of 4 hours studying and 8 hours drinking. Too bad the enemies of liberty use the enormous power of government to steal so much money from people who didn’t even get into college.


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National Guard


Ask the federal and state lawmakers elected where you live, how they can possibly expect men and women younger than 21 to want to enlist in the National Guard when Congress and the state legislature show so much unprovoked hostility toward them. Remind them that outvoted discrimination victims need not accept whatever lame excuses lawmakers offer. If you’re trapped in a flooded hospital in New Orleans, and helicopters cannot approach because of snipers, would you rather have more soldiers or more federal highway construction grants?
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Is the drinking age unconstitutional?

That’s totally irrelevant. Libertarians do not accept any doctrine, instruction, ruling, order, regulation, ordinance, statute, treaty or constitution to the extent that the same is inconsistent with liberty and justice for all. We never did. We never will. Libertarians did not accept Prohibition when it was part of the United States Constitution.


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Vermont


In the 1980’s, Governor Richard Snelling twice vetoed bills to raise the Vermont drinking age.
.PDF VETO MESSAGE
With mounting pressure to “do something” about drunk driving, and unable to raise the drinking age instead, the Vermont Legislature reluctantly passed a bill imposing tougher drunk driving penalties on themselves, which Gov. Snelling signed into law.

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Look, my family member was killed by a drunk driver who was younger than 21.

“Oh, it is sad, very sad, that once more, for the umpteenth time, the old truth is confirmed: What one Christian does is his own responsibility; what one Jew does is thrown back at all Jews.” --Diary of Anne Frank, 22 May 1944.


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Arkansas


Gov. Mike Huckabee released a convicted four-time drunk driver who only served six months of a seven-year sentence. On 4 April 2006, the man drove drunk again. This was so pathetic, even MADD bigots couldn’t ignore it.

Arkansas Leader ...Cached

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Look, MADD can point to studies that conclude the human brain doesn’t fully develop until age 21.

And the Nazis pointed to scientific studies that concluded that the Aryan race was genetically superior. Juden Verboten is German for No Minors Allowed. I guess MADD wants people to let their brains fully develop first, then destoy them.

Hey, pal, my family member was younger than 21 and drank too much, and died of alcohol poisoning.

What do you want me to do, nominate the moron for a Darwin Award? Underage drinking did not violate anybody’s rights. If somebody failed to warn your family member that drinking too much can be deadly, that’s not the fault of other people younger than 21 who are well aware of this common sense fact. The only legitimate function of the government is to secure the rights of the people.

“I would rather be exposed to the inconveniencies (sic) attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it.”
Thomas Jefferson
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What should be done to cut down on drunk driving by young people?

The mock crash demonstrations are the best way to explain to the young drivers that the time to undo a fatal crash is before it happens, by not driving after drinking. Videos need to be produced, splicing one segment after another of TV news coverage of selected drunk driving crashes, adding only the date, and the call letters, channel number and location of the station. Have teenagers watch one after another and get the message that drunk drivers are the most hated creatures in the county. It doesn’t matter which county, since TV news brings you there.

Another strategy is to remind them of the consequences. If you drive drunk, you’ll get a criminal record. When you try to go to Alberta, Manitoba or Quebec, where the drinking age is 18, you’ll be turned away at the border because of your criminal record. If you crash, you could face a serious charge. Imagine turning 21 and not being able to have a legal drink because you’re in prison, or on parole or probation, forbidden to drink.

Outvoted discrimination victims: Don’t blame licensees, who are afraid themselves of being arrested for selling or serving their own property. The government and its cops are the enemy.

Food for thought: Somebody drunk offers you a ride. Is it wrong to accept? The drunk is the one committing the crime, and putting you in danger, and it’s your life. However, the drunk is offering to endanger innocent people for you. It is wrong to accept such an offer. If somebody gets killed, you are legally blameless, but innocent blood is on your hands. The drunk wasn’t going to drive that trip without you in the car.

If you are carrying alcoholic beverages and haven’t started drinking yet, there’s nothing wrong with keeping a gun handy in case the cops stop you and want to handcuff you and force you into a car against your will and deliver you to the government’s jail. If we could somehow put a gun in the hands of Senator Judd Gregg’s wife on 7 October 2003, she’d be justified in shooting those two guys who were taking her into their custody and forcing her into their car. The Second Amendment wasn’t written for sportsmen.

The State legislature shouldn’t have voted to use the cops as weapons of unprovoked violence against you, if they didn’t want you to take their weapons away from them.

The courts should strike down the underage drinking statutes if they don’t want you to strike down the cops.

However, you must store the firearm safely before you start drinking. Your right to defend yourself against a cop does not include the right to miss and strike an innocent person. Drinking and guns don’t mix.

Look, buddy, if they’re drinking under age, they deserve the punishment they face. The drinking age is the law. If you don’t like the law, change it. The cop is just doing his job. He has a family. It’s not okay to shoot the cop just because you hold the opinion that the law is wrong.

Look, buddy, those Negroes have a lot of nerve escaping from their masters’ plantations, and they deserve the whipping they face. Slavery is the law. If you don’t like the law, change it. The slave patrol is just doing his job. He has a family. It’s not okay to shoot him just because you hold the opinion that slavery is wrong.

I’m against drunk driving. Who else is there besides MADD?

Try the National Motorists Association, which opposes drunk driving and takes no position on the drinking age. Also New York DUI Also, http://www.ddreform.org opposes drunk driving. They link to MADD but do not promote hatred and government-sponsored violence against everybody younger than 21.

Also try RADD.
It is also worth noting that MADD Canada does not promote violence against people under 21.

Ontario

MADD Canada doesn’t promote bigotry against people younger than 21. If anybody tries to argue that the drinking age in Ontario should be raised to be equal to that in the USA because of all the 19- and -20-year-olds getting killed in drunk driving crashes in Detroit, Michigan, right along the border, they are implying that those people drank in Ontario and crossed the border. Be sure to point out that they are including people like Nehemiah Thompson, 20, killed 19 June 2004 by a Detroit cop who drove drunk, the wrong way down a one-way street, and Marvin Shaina, 19, killed 30 January 2005 by a drunk Detroit cop who only got probation.

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